Sunday, December 04, 2005

لقاء البلوغرية.. وما يتبعه من ثرثرة

Isn’t it odd how someone like me, who has not let any personal experience pass without mentioning since she started blogging, hasn’t ranted or raved about the bloggers meeting yet?

يعني ماتم شي ما صورته ولا قلت لكم عنه إلا هاللقاء مطوفته.. غريبة مو؟ (حتى ذاك اليوم قاعدة أنظف ثلاجة بيتنا، مترووسة أشياء منتهية الصلاحية، إلا أمي تقوولي حسج عينج تصورينها أو تكتبين عنها على موقعج.. خخخخ.. مسويتلها فيلم رعب من رجعت)

Posted by $iLveR GiRL @ 12:12 AM

34 silver comments

34 Comments

@ 12/04/2005 02:50:00 AM ,,  Anonymous said...

I knew it,
when i saw your picture, you dont look comfortable.
and you know what? i was wondering hmmmm, what language were they mingling. maybe because there was this foreign lady with them. or maybe thats the way it is.
But i think it was a good experience for you any way.

p.s I will never write a name :P anon- for ever :D

 

@ 12/04/2005 07:10:00 AM ,,  Mahmood Al-Yousif said...

Don't write us off completely yet! Remember that this is our 15th meeting and it's your first. So it's natural that we "gel" together. Apart from the monthly gathering we do normally talk to each other from time to time on the phone or meet as well. It's quite natural to feel "left out" in such a situation.

I agree that we should have reserved to get the location, unfortunately Starbucks does not take reservations. I did think after the meeting maybe we should meet for dinner next time? Then we might even take a whole section of Al-Shera'a or Ayam Zaman. We'll see.

We appreciated your coming and hope that you will join us again in the future. The more you do it, and more you will find that you look forward to the experience.

It's just a bunch of friends meeting once a month.

 

@ 12/04/2005 09:20:00 AM ,,  Anonymous said...

Hey silveroo!
I'm sorry to hear that you were a bit uncomfortable in the bloggers meeting.

Khairha ib '3airha =D

Maybe an all girls bloggers meeting in the near future. That'll surely be comfy! Heck! We girls could talk about anything and everything! From "MPs quarrels" to "how nice your french manicure" is! Heh!

I'll be starting my own blog. HOPEFULLY sooner than later.

Cheers
N.A.

 

@ 12/04/2005 01:50:00 PM ,,  LiB Team said...

It's normal I guess, always feeling like the stranger on first gatherings and as Mahmood said, they have already broken the ice and newcomers would feel left out. next time inshallah. Too bad we couldn't come :(

about the kid speaking english, I dunno what's the deal with that! khala9 3erafna enkom et3arfoon English... they will be a subject of ours in the upcoming articles, we call them "Glows" by the way!

We'll be writing about glows in the near future inshallah, live happy and prosperous!

 

@ 12/04/2005 04:20:00 PM ,,  Abou_El_Mulook said...

I am not commenting on the meeting part, but I would like to declare my solidarity with you when it comes to the issue of westernization. It is as if we are the wannabies! First we can not deny that the west has alot of good qualities that we do not possess yet; however, accepting them based on their argument with out any critical thinking from our part renders us in a constant state of insecurity about our ideals. I do not know what was the case in your situation in the meeting, but it is just a point I wanted to say. And possibly an issue that is interesting to be addressed. By the way I hope that you got my email.

Salam

 

@ 12/04/2005 07:24:00 PM ,,  The Joker said...

Oh dear...
The first meeting I attended was my favorite. I got along like a fish in the sea. And the people there sure do make you comfortable to talk to them. In time you'll see that.

Now can you explain how the meeting was "Westernized" in theme, but you somehow learned the lesson that "Arabs are Arabs?"

 

@ 12/04/2005 07:44:00 PM ,,  Anonymous said...

الصراحة هالرد فعل متوقع و لذلك عمري ما فكرت احضر هالنوع من الاجتماعات مع اني تعرفت على بعض البلوغرز على مستوى شخصي و ليس جماعي... وشي واضح ان توجة معظم البلوغرز غربي بحت من كل النواحي و ليس فقط تداولهم اللغة الانجليزية...فمتى اصبح عادة البحرينيين الجلوس على مائدة الشرب؟ انا كلي مع حريتهم في تصرفاتهم و لكن طبيعي اني بحس اني شاذه لما ما ارتاح في هالاجواء...لو كنت قاعدة مع انجليز او اجانب ما عندي اي مشكلة و لكن مع بحرينيين..رجاءاً اسمحوا لي...

والكل يعرف الحفلة تكون احلى لما تكون دعوة خاصة و مو دعوة مفتوحة الي كل من هب و دب...thats a matter of taste and to each it's advantages but i'm not a socialite so i prefer the former..

 

@ 12/04/2005 11:28:00 PM ,,  moodZ said...

Alright, to be honest when you first told me how much the meet-up sucked to your royal highness I actually took it out as a joke. But what you just posted up here, is unbearable. And is nothing short of an insult to all those who attended.

You say "فلعلي كنت المقصرة بشكل أو بآخر.." as if you still doubt it? It's not la3alich silver, YOU WERE emqa9ra, for a change, next time you want to melt in with a group, do something more productive than taking a seat in some corner and sitting cross handed, try maybe TALKING?! MIXING UP?!

Mahmood was kind enough to have this whole deal up for your sake, changed the timings, changed the place and even bought you a cheesecake that you didn’t have the manners to finish, and I among all the rest even sang you happy birthday (for some reason) and this is how you get back at us? Is this how you look at me? An unpunctual westernized fart with a "weak personality"?!

I can't imagine how you would have decency to even speak up with this crap, you did not enjoy it, show some respect and apologize polity for not coming again!

And as for your un-westernized شاذة friend who expects a personal invitation to her goodself sent by DHL and red carpet with a band playing the national anthem when in the background she arrives:

شي واضح ان توجة معظم البلوغرز غربي بحت من كل النواحي و ليس فقط تداولهم اللغة الانجليزية...فمتى اصبح عادة البحرينيين الجلوس على مائدة الشرب؟

Since 1945, Bahraini's drink, Indian drink, Americans drink, Saudis drink everybody drinks on this good country! The question is, when did they STOP drinking! LIVE WITH IT! It's nothing new to Bahrain, its not an obscene scene in the country!!

Besides, what's the big deal when someone speaks English? Are you SERIOUSLY comparing me with that 3 year old kid? I blog in English, I communicate in English, I think in English, I dream in English! and I sure as hell not changing it because you think that its bad! Or because you think that I am doing so to BRAG about it in front of you!! Besides, we had an American, an Australian and a guy that can't understand Arabic enough to communicate with it, do you know how rude it would be to speak in Arabic?

You do know what rudeness is .. or don't u?

 

@ 12/05/2005 12:02:00 AM ,,  Anonymous said...

خوك... انا ما عندي مشكلة مع حريتك الشخصيه في الشرب ...يعني كلنا نعرف ان في بارات في البحرين و لكن انا كبنت بحرينية محتشمة ما تعودت الجلوس في هذه الاماكن ..لا ربعي و لا اهلي و اذا تبي تقول انها اصبحت عادة مطلقة الكل يتناولها فأنت غلطان ..انما هي فئه معينة..ولا كار لي انته حر ...

لكن انا ايضاً حره في اختياري عدم الحضور...

شكلك واجد انزعجت من كلام سلفر...خووك حقاً انها جريئة في نشر انطباعها الحقيقي و ربما كان بأمكانها طرحه باسلوب افضل بحيث لا تجرح مشاعر الحضور اللي يمكن ما يبادلونها الشعور و استمتعوا اكثر منها .. انا في اعتقادي هو عدم خبرتها في هذه المواقف خصوصاً في لقاءات من هذا النوع يجب ان تكون جريئة و تركز على الصورة اللي تريد تظهر بها امام ناس تلقاهم اول مره في حفلة تكريمية ايضاُ..

 

@ 12/05/2005 12:07:00 AM ,,  $iLveR GiRL said...

I’ll reply on Mohammed’s (emoodz) comment who thought my post was rude and unbearable!

I’m sorry that you are taking the dialogue to that direction.

My royal highness?
ليش يعني آنه أحين شايفة روحي لأني علقت؟ أحين إنت يا محمد تنتقد أنظمة وحكام وسياسات وما قدرت تتقبل رأي عرضته بحب واحترام؟
سبحان الله!

Insult?! I emphasized that I meant no offense to anyone. I said everyone was nice and cool. I was not attacking anyone personally. I criticized the overall atmosphere oo bas. Not the attendees!

I know how kind Mahmood was! I don’t need to be told how nice he was! I am very thankful for what he did. REALLY!


“a cheesecake that you didn’t have the manners to finish” !!

What the!! I’m speechless! It was a huge piece of cake! I couldn’t and didn’t want to eat it all! What’s so offensive about that?
You guys didn't want to share it with me.. shaaswi? Laaazm aklhaa kelha?! Fa'6e3a kaant.. bas weee..maqdr aaklha kelha!

Oh my God. Did you really find the post that offensive!?! I was expressing how I felt about it. Haraaam?

A big sorry goes to those who thought I was being qaleelat adab and disrespectful!

Btw, I’m not responsible for the comments my readers leave!
راجع نفسك

 

@ 12/05/2005 12:25:00 AM ,,  $iLveR GiRL said...

anon for ever
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
It was a good experience, indeed :)

mahmood
~~~~~~~~
I'm certain that you guys have good stuff going on. That was my initial impression only. Akeed getting to know each other more makes it more interesting.
I do appreciate your efforts and flexibility. Oo many thanks for the cake:) You didn't think I was rude because I didn't eat the whole cake, did you?

N.A.
~~~~
Yay.. can't wait to read your posts :D

lib team
~~~~~~~~
I was looking forward to meet the 2 of you. 7asafaa you couldn't make it.

Abo elmulook
~~~~~~~~~~~~
Yes, I received your email. Thank you. I'll email you back soon inshalla :)

anonymous
~~~~~~~~~~
بالطبع موضوع الشرب يندرج تحت الحريات الشخصية ولا يقلل من شأن المرء في نظري، شخصياّ.

أما فيما يتعلق بالدعوات، أعارضك الرأي. من الجميل جداً أن تكون الدعوة مفتوحة. فكما قال محمود، هي جلسة أصدقاء، للتعارف والحديث، ولا حرج أن يحضرها من شاء. ففي ذلك إضافة قيمة.

 

@ 12/05/2005 12:34:00 AM ,,  Anonymous said...

ان كان الشرب اصبح شيء عادي فهذه مصيبة و ان لم يقل من شأن المرء اجتماعياً فالمصيبة اعظم..

هي وجهة نظر و لا تنتقدونها كتطرف ديني كما اعتدت الهجوم على مثل هذه الاراء في هذه المواقع "اللبرالية" و الحره...

لكي من كل الود

 

@ 12/05/2005 12:39:00 AM ,,  $iLveR GiRL said...

anon
~~~~

أحترم وجهة نظرك بشدة، ولك مني وللجميع بالغ المودة.

 

@ 12/05/2005 12:51:00 AM ,,  $iLveR GiRL said...

To everyone :)

I read my post over and over again trying to figure out why some of you thought I was rude. I made several positive comments and I really didn't mean to offend anyone. Mark and Ferrous were very nice to me. Mahmood was 7adda nice. Tariq had great eye-contact skills. Emoodz and Joker tried teasing me to break the ice. Yousif was social and easygoing.

In short, they were all nice!

Please try not to misunderstand my post!

ومرة ثانية وثالثة أقوولها
السموووحة

 

@ 12/05/2005 02:12:00 AM ,,  Anonymous said...

this point is funny and dumb as well, [i]Besides, we had an American, an Australian and a guy that can't understand Arabic enough to communicate with it, do you know how rude it would be to speak in Arabic?[/i]
WHY NOT!! arent they in our country? why in their countries they call us a fu*** foreigners just because we have an accent?
Emoods i like you and your blogg but am sorry that is the dumbest thing i have read for you so far.

Emoods i can tell that you took it personal.

anon- for ever

 

@ 12/05/2005 08:04:00 AM ,,  Jmjm said...

eMoodz, take it easy on the girl okay? Whatever happened to freedom of speech? Even people who do criticize others can't see what they are lacking. I am appauled that you have taken this personally! This is always the case with Bahrainis, they take everything as an insult, they take constructive criticism as a personal insult. I am sure you're mentality is bigger than that and that you have just misunderstood silveroo. Take it easy dude!

As for the drinking part, everyone is free to have their own choice, but ultimately it IS forbidden in Islam, however it is forgivable, I used to drink back in the days when I was in college, not anymore thank God. Also I am westernized in the way I think, speak and carry out my daily duties at work, I do have a westernized sense of humour etc... but I don't forget that I am an Arab in the first place and I do read and write in Arabic perfectly. What silver is talking about is the spoiled kids who speak English nowadays and their parents are actually proud that they are better in English than Arabic! I believe that she remembered this while she was talking about the main theme of the gathering, not comparing you guys to that shitty kid, she clearly mentioned "3ala 6ari el English" so she remembered something that pissed her off which she wanted to have our attention on!

I am sure you misunderstood her that's all, and that happens between friends all the time. Don't let it get bigger over silly issues and keep it real!

btw I am not a blogger but I follow all your blogs and all of you are great bloggers and I like your content, sliveroo, m.tv, emoodz, joker, chanad, sillybahrainigirl and lifeinbahrain are the ones I liked the most! Keep it up guys!

 

@ 12/05/2005 09:55:00 AM ,,  e. said...

silverthingy..

As an impartial who read your post, I don't think there was anything in there to imply rudeness. In fact, I thought you were very nice and admired the fact that you went in the first place. Your feelings during and afterwards are totally justified and there is nothing wrong with the way you expressed them on your blog..

So emoodz, calm down man. I thought you were kidding at first because I couldn't understand where the hostility is coming from.. I think you just misread a post which could've used more smiley faces..

 

@ 12/05/2005 10:26:00 PM ,,  $iLveR GiRL said...

Anon for ever, jmjm and e.
~~~~~~~
Thank you very much guys!

jmjm, thanks for covering many of the points I was lazy to mention when I was defending myself!
_____________________
Special note to N.A.

Girl, sorry I haven't given your comment a full reply because 7alty was 7alaah 7azat I replied.

6ela3ty feminist more than me :) Let me know if you are serious about the all-girls bloggers meeting :p

WaHahAha.. 3ajeeeb

 

@ 12/06/2005 11:35:00 PM ,,  MooLa said...

To my own surprise, I completely agree with everything emoodz said.. Your post was offensive, ungrateful and rude..

Of course you have the right to express your impressions.. But believe me, the way you verbalize them does matter..

A less self-centred and more considerate post would have been appreciated..

 

@ 12/07/2005 03:51:00 PM ,,  Cerebralwaste said...

Silver

It was a pleasure meeting you at the meetup! I hope to be able to do it again in the future.
ciao!
Mark

 

@ 12/07/2005 03:56:00 PM ,,  Cerebralwaste said...

This post has been removed by a blog administrator.

 

@ 12/09/2005 01:09:00 AM ,,  $iLveR GiRL said...

Mark,

The pleasure was all mine. If only Bush was as nice as you!!

TC :)

 

@ 12/09/2005 02:32:00 PM ,,  TariqKhonji said...

Hi Silver,

Moodz may have taken things a little too personal but could you blame him if you said he has a weak personality? (which is not true, by the way).
And as for speaking English...well sorry to break it to you folks but it is the international language nowadays. Half your blog is written in English Silver and in fact you even translated this post into English for the benefit of non-Arabic speakers and then you complain about people speaking English at a meeting? I think it was to be expected since most of the attendees blog in English...and from my impression of those present, they are not pretending to be anything. If they are Westernised that's who they are...we shouldn't be apologetic for it.

And this is just my personal feeling, but I always feel that more things get accomplished at events which are in English. There is less kissing ass, less thanking people, less rhetoric, less hi, how are you, how is your mom, dad, second cousin twice removed, etc..

And as for sitting around in bars, I actually told Mahmood that moving the meetings away from bars may be better to get more people to come...but there is nothing unBahraini about it. Some people drink, some don't. Live nad let live...

 

@ 12/09/2005 02:36:00 PM ,,  TariqKhonji said...

Oh yeah...and about the being late thing....remember that it was a social gathering not an official peace treaty signing...


But if you make it to the next Summit, I promise I'll be there on time ;)

 

@ 12/09/2005 09:06:00 PM ,,  $iLveR GiRL said...

Hi Tariq:)

It's a personal choice if someone chooses to communicate in English. In many cases, the way someone is raised and educated is a factor that could result in a person that prefers to speak English. I can't criticize that and I cannot blame anyone for it. I only meant to say that I didn't like it!
And I know that you guys were not pretending anything:)

Do I make sense at all?

"There is less kissing ass, less thanking people, less rhetoric, less hi, how are you, how is your mom, dad, second cousin twice removed, etc.."

You are misjudging Arabic tara.. It's an elegant language.. Blame the culture and social routines for the ass-kissing :)

"And as for sitting around in bars, I actually told Mahmood that moving the meetings away from bars may be better to get more people to come.."

I totally agree..The last meeting proves your theory.

:)

 

@ 12/10/2005 03:15:00 PM ,,  TariqKhonji said...

"You are misjudging Arabic tara.. It's an elegant language.. Blame the culture and social routines for the ass-kissing :)"

Yes, Arabic is a very elegant language but sometimes its use makes things too poetic and not practical enough...no disagreement that it's all about the culture at the end of the day but the terminologies and phrases that have crept into the language have now become almost unavoidable.
I say 'almost' because I actually do manage to avoid them myself, mainly because I can't be bothered to learn all of them...

I tend to use 'Allaysalmak' for a reply for almost any of these Arabic phrases and I think so far I've got away with it.

 

@ 12/10/2005 09:55:00 PM ,,  Anonymous said...

Tariq Khonji, kiss my ass you not arab anyway, you came or your granddad came in a banana boat to bahrain and now cussing our language?
KISS MY ASS
anon- 4 ever

 

@ 12/10/2005 11:27:00 PM ,,  The Joker said...

Anon 4-ever, you just won me over! What a persuasive argument. Thank you for giving everyone a textbook example of what a self centered closed minded brainfart would say.

 

@ 12/11/2005 07:39:00 AM ,,  SillyBahrainiGirl said...

Anonymous said...

Tariq Khonji, kiss my ass you not arab anyway, you came or your granddad came in a banana boat to bahrain and now cussing our language?
KISS MY ASS
anon- 4 ever
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Anon.. that comment was really uncalled for..
Thanks Joker for making it clear that NOT ALL BAHRAINIS think that way.

Tariq is a colleague and someone who is working hard to serve Bahrain..whether he prefers or wants to speak in Arabic or not..

What are you doing hiding behind an anonymous name sending rude messages to people who haven't harmed you in anyway?

Is this part of the rich Arab culture and great Islamic legacy?

I am really appauled by this comment and didn't expect it from someone who can write and read English.

Obviously you went to school.. is this what they taught you?

Way to go Bahrain..

 

@ 12/11/2005 10:39:00 AM ,,  moodZ said...

It’s just saddening to see people like those among us, it’s always when I start to believe that brainwashed wankers like her with such thoughts don’t exist anymore that one just smacks me straight in the face!

I’m not going to reply, it’s really not worth it explain anything to such a person.

Silver, delete the damn comment and get us over with.

 

@ 12/11/2005 02:09:00 PM ,,  $iLveR GiRL said...

:-O
Shaaal7achy!!?

In case you don't know, from Khonji family came a number of the first teachers in Bahrain who contributed to education in this country and their current input cannot be disregarded either.

It has been pleasing to have you as a commenter so far, but your last comment exhibited a lack of wisdom 9ara7a. You owe every Bahraini who was misrepresented by your comment an apology.

Moodz, let’s not delete the comment. Someone else from the same ridiculous school of thought may come across it and what followed and learn a lesson that he or she wasn’t taught in home or school!

 

@ 12/11/2005 02:40:00 PM ,,  Anonymous said...

HUH, just quick point to you farters, arabic language "kissing ass language" is the Quran language if any of you have ever read "i doubt it".
Mr Khonji if you dont like it just stick to your own "persian".
i dont owe any one any apology Khonji owes the arabs an apology.
anon- 4 ever

 

@ 12/11/2005 04:10:00 PM ,,  TariqKhonji said...

"Tariq Khonji, kiss my ass you not arab anyway, you came or your granddad came in a banana boat to bahrain and now cussing our language?
KISS MY ASS
anon- 4 ever "

"HUH, just quick point to you farters, arabic language "kissing ass language" is the Quran language if any of you have ever read "i doubt it".
Mr Khonji if you dont like it just stick to your own "persian".
i dont owe any one any apology Khonji owes the arabs an apology.
anon- 4 ever"



I never claimed to be ethnically Arab and no I haven't really read much of the Quran since I was forced to in high school...but I'm still entitled to my oppinion.
As for my grand dad...he came here on a merchant boat.
Good day.

 

@ 12/12/2005 01:44:00 AM ,,  Cerebralwaste said...

Silver

I say leave the Anon 4 ever posters comment for the world to see. Just goes to show how racist some people are. Though I see moodz idea to nuke it and move on, leaving it up shows the world that most people (and Bahrainis) don't feel this way. The poster is obviously a Jackass of the highest degree and if I could put a name to this jackass I would make them a winner in the BrainFart du jour contest.

Anyway Silver I am sorry you think "W" isn't a nice guy He is a nice person and has always been. I will tell him of your thoughts.

http://cerebralwaste.blogspot.com/

 

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